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Karenmartin25
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Antibodies attacking pancreas

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In my previous post I mentioned my daughter had mono for 12 days with high fever when we discovered high blood sugar levels and that the GAD65 test showed antibodies attacking pancreas. That made me wonder....

 

Do antibodies only get active when a child is fighting an illness?

 

In other words, I'm wondering if the antibodies that were also fighting the mono began fighting pancreas at that time and if antibodies stop when mono stopped. Or, do antibodies continue attacking pancreas even when you are well?

 

I am sorry if I sound lame, this is all new to me and I am hoping that for some reason the results are wrong or only showing that she is pre diabetic for some other reason, like having mono.

 

Her average blood sugar level was 124 in that test that gives the 3 month average, which I understand is high - which also means it was high before mono.

 

Hoping....

 

 

Karen
Mom to a brave 10 yr old daughter who was diagonosed as honeymooning with T1 (new terminology I have learned) March 21, 2012. Currently monitoring blood levels before every meal and at night before bed and trying to learn as much as I can so that I am prepared to take on this new chapter in our lives.
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katies_dad
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Re: Antibodies attacking pancreas

Type 1 is an autoimune dissorder, so the bodies immune system attacks itself.  It doesn't have anything to do with being sick or not.  I suspect that your case is much like ours, with something normaly benign resulting in a surprise diagnosis.

 

I will pray for you.  I have heard of some folks getting really early "diagnosis" only to go on for years without developing to the insulin dependent level.  I have read of one illness that can mimic type 1, but I don't recall what that was anymore.  I do know it was really rare.  I hoped against hope that it would be Katie, but ....

 

Good Luck and God Bless,

Katies Dad

Katie diagnosed T1 July 2008, pumping with Animas Ping since June 2009.
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sandyfreitag1
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Re: Antibodies attacking pancreas

It is very common for it to be found after a recent virus. It could stop when the mono is cleared, however you need to keep an eye on it in the future. Research goes both ways on weather the antibodies will continue attacking, or not.  It could be a long time, a short time or no advancement at all. Just make sure you check in with your doctor, and know the symptoms of diabetes. At any thought that those symptoms may be happening don't wait and get into your doctor right away.

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emmielou
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Re: Antibodies attacking pancreas

Yes, type 1 is an auto-immune disorder, much like Grave's disease (thyroid), rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, multiple sclerosis, among many many others.    They do not know what suddenly causes the body to turn on itself like it does in these cases, but for some reason the body fails to recognize "self" as they say in the studies I have read.    I have done quite a bit of research of scholarly articles and research to educate myself, and I am still perplexed, but I will share what I have found.    

 

As background, our bodies are constantly producing antibodies and our immune systems are constantly at work, we are an amazing creation.  Our bodies are complex machines with a genetic blueprint.    But genes are turned off and turned on...so genetic make-up is only part of the story, why some genes are turned off and turned on is what is more fascinating than genes themselves.   So while identifying genes associated with specific diseases (as has been done recently for many many chronic diseases) is amazing, understanding why they turn on and turn off is a whole new facet to the story.  

 

With this in mind, when an identicle twin is diagnosed with Type 1, only 50% of the time is the other twin diagnosed.  So this points to not only a strong genetic component, but a strong environmental component.  Research has been done to focus on factors such as in utero environment, diet, race/ethnicity, geographical location, vitamin deficiencies, growth trajectories, etc. etc. etc.    But what is of concern, is that globally type 1 is on the rise, which if it is genetic, how can that be?     There has been a study performed globally by the WHO (World Health Organization) by the DiaMond Research Group, documenting the increasing (incidence=new cases) type 1 cases per country.    There is also a US based research going on documenting this increase also (called SEARCH for diabetes in youth), which was prompted by the WHO findings.    So identifying the environmental factors at work here is very important to our future.    The strongest correlations from what I have found is a seasonal component (for some reason this seasonal trend is  stronger in boys than girls), vitamin D deficiency, latitude, ethnicity, growth curves, and age at time of diagnoses is getting younger.   Vitamin D is important to immune function, but it is important in both turning on the immune system and dampening its effect.    The closer you are the equator the lower incidence of type 1, and there are fewer cases diagnosed in summer.    These same trends are not seen in the southern hemisphere however, and in general the southern hemisphere has far fewer new cases than the northern hemisphere.   There is an increased incidence in people of European descent.   Cow's milk is also an area being studied, however from what I have seen there has been very conflicting evidence both ways on this.    I have read studies where the immune system response is studied in the lab, and there are specific antibodies that have been identified as having lost the ability to recognize self, and they have been able to be corrected, to restore this ability.    So there is hope that some day this "pre-diadiabetic" phase of type 1 may be able to be stopped, before the islet cells are completely destroyed, but we  are not even close yet, although some clinical trials are being done.  I think the most promising is vitamin D supplementation in children who are deficient, but currently serum vitamin D in children is not tested during well visits, but I think should be considered.   

 

If you want to learn more about these findings, good resources are the CDC website (center for disease control), JDRF (Juvenile Diabetes Research Fund) and this site here, the diabetes.org.    YOu can also find quite a few scholarly articles on Google Scholar, although some of it is tough reading.  I have a biology degree, but that molecular genetic and immunology research is a tough read for me too.   But you can probably find lots on the vitamin D, latitude, seasonality, etc.    My daughter was diagnosed at 11 years old, and defied all the trends I have  mentioned, but disease onset was after she had the H1N1 flu virus that year, a flu that took her about three weeks to overcome, so the seasonal component is thought to either be linked to sun exposure or flu and virus seasonal occurrence.    When she started becoming symptomatic I thought it was just a slow recovery from the flu, and her weight wasn't rebounding, by the time I took her to the doctor she was in ketoacidosis and they sent us straight to the hospital.  But no permanent damage, thank God, she recovered nicely.    It was a steep learning curve, while I understand the disease process.. learning to manage this and give the shots was all new to us.    So we are three years in and still doing novolog pens and lantus at night.  She doesn't want to try the pump yet.   

 

I have gotten active in raising awareness and funding for research for type 1, as there is much much to learn.    There are diabetes runs and walks an bike rides you can participate in, you and your family, that both raise awareness and money for research.    If you go to the JDRF and this website you can find out more ways you can contribute.      When I say my daughter defied the trends I described in my research she is petite and always has been very small for her age (still is), athletic,  played outside so much I worried about sun exposure and had to use sunscreen, was diagnosed in fall, born in Florida and now living in midwest, very active with a very healthy and varied diet.    My brother was diagnosed with Type 1 in his 30s and I had a great grandfather who had it, but that is the only family history.   But we are of european descent living in an affluent country (another trend, affluence).    But there are populations where diabetes is almost absent, those being Ameri-indians and Asians.   To say the least, its complicated.

 

Well, I hope I didn't overwhelm you, but I thought I'd share for what its worth. You seemed so motivated to learn, which is so great!  I hope I helped shed some light.   This is an AWESOME place to get ideas and blow off steam when you are having a tough time coping... keep up the good work!

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katies_dad
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Re: Antibodies attacking pancreas

Emmilou,

 

Excellent post, great research.

 

On the increasing incedence I wonder how much of this has to do with T1 being survivable just beginning about 100 years ago now.  My mom was a public health nurse in texas and she worked the hemopheliac cases.  She noted in the late 70's that as they were getting medicine to prolong life the men were living long enough to have children and frequently their children developed the disease.  I wonder sometimes if there isn't a little of that going on with T1's.  Escpecially since you see the increased incidence in the "developed world" where diagnosis and treatment has existed for the longes time.

 

Your thoughts?

Katies Dad

Katie diagnosed T1 July 2008, pumping with Animas Ping since June 2009.
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emmielou
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Re: Antibodies attacking pancreas

I agree, this makes sense doesnt it?   That is the downside to survivability through modern medicine, from what was a death sentence just a century prior.    I thought the genetic predisposition for hemophiliacs was so strong that genetic testing was strongly encouraged when considering having children, much like in the case with cystic fibrosis.    It seems diabetes is a little more elusive and such testing does not exist, to my knowledge.     But I agree, totally goes with the trend of "affluence."

 

 

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Karenmartin25
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Interesting you mention vitamin D.... I have always had to take supplements, as I am always low!

 

Thank you for such an interesting post. I am learning so much!! Knowledge is power, huh!?

Karen
Mom to a brave 10 yr old daughter who was diagonosed as honeymooning with T1 (new terminology I have learned) March 21, 2012. Currently monitoring blood levels before every meal and at night before bed and trying to learn as much as I can so that I am prepared to take on this new chapter in our lives.
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katies_dad
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Re: Antibodies attacking pancreas

Just for the record, I look forward to grandchildren and hope that Katie has all the children she want's. 

 

I also have to say that I have not been all that hopeful for a "cure", but it seems to me that if they can figure out the environemental trigger we should be able to get some kind of vacine or vacination order that will prevent those pre-disposed from developing.  Maybe some day genetic modification can provide a "cure" to the immune problem.

 

You know there was a research program that was going on using massive doses of a vaccine (TB) that seems to offer some promise of recovery.  The Dr. was Faustman, but I have't seen anything recently.  I know that Lee Iococa was a suporter (his wife was a T1).

 

Thanks again for the great post. 

Katies Dad

Katie diagnosed T1 July 2008, pumping with Animas Ping since June 2009.
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t1wayne
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Karen- you've already seen Emmielou's (excellent) response, but a couple of points are worth adding.  You asked if  "...the antibodies that were fighting the mono began fighting pancreas at that time and if antibodies stop when mono stopped."  In addition to the environmental FACTORS that Emmielou explained, scientists have suspected an environmental TRIGGER since at least the early 1960's, and that trigger has been POTENTIALLY identified as typical childhood illnesses.  I was diagnosed T1 about 2 weeks after getting over the mumps, for example.  And that was so statistically typical that the trigger concept was formed.  Further to Emmielou's comment that the immune system is always working (ie, even after your daughter got over her mono), her body was still destroying it's own ability to produce insulin.  On that point... it isn't destroying the pancreas, but rather the Islets of Langerhans, which are cells located within the pancreas that produce insulin.  The pancreas is like a raisin-cake, with the Islets of Langerhans represented by the raisins.  Back in the 70's or so, transplants of pancreases were tried on diabetics, but the patients' became diabetic again after a brief period of recovery from the disease.  Then, "transplants" of the Islet cells were tried - simpler, as they could simply be injected into the patient's own pancreas, rather than cutting the patient open and replacing a whole organ.  Same result.  The cause was that the body's immune system attacked the new islets - as long as they actively produced insulin.  Which is more or less where we stand today... your daughter's body, once it was triggered to attack it's own insulin-producing islets, had established the "needed" antibodies to destroy any insulin producing cells, and anytime it detects insulin production, it will attack the cells producing it.  This is also the source of the "honeymoon period" often observed in T1's. 

 

Oh, and Emmielou and Hans - I think you're dead on in the estimation that a [significant] reason for increased incidence of T1 is the fact that so many of us survive to reproduce.  BUT... it has only been about 80 yrs now; while insulin was first used in the late 1920's, widespread use was a good decade later, and effective control and long term survival on a large scale was slightly later.  My own children (21, 18 and 16) have not developed the disease (knocking wood here...) and my granddaughter has also not, but I was 11 so she's got a way to go before clearing that hurdle, and of course, while statistically more likely to occur at or before the age it did in me, it's always a potential.  And by the way, Hans, in spite of that potential, I wouldn't give any of them up!  We just need to figure it out and find a way to prevent it in the future.  w.

Wayne T1 May 1966
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Karenmartin25
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Thank you for the great info!
Karen
Mom to a brave 10 yr old daughter who was diagonosed as honeymooning with T1 (new terminology I have learned) March 21, 2012. Currently monitoring blood levels before every meal and at night before bed and trying to learn as much as I can so that I am prepared to take on this new chapter in our lives.