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trc0705
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Animal proteins increase the risk of diabetes

I have been doing some reading and some studies have found that eating too much animal proteins is a factor that can increase the risk of developing diabetes.

 

So is it safe to say that animals proteins are a cause of diabetes, type 2.

 

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/1/43

 

"Diets high in animal protein are associated with an increased diabetes risk."

 

Proteins do turn into sugar in the body when they are being digested.  It seems like a lot of emphasize is focused on carbs, perhaps the same needs to be said on the amount of animals proteins a person eats too.

 

Can anyone give me more information on this?

 

Thank you.

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Re: Animal proteins increase the risk of diabetes

Just my opinion, but looking at the list of authors for that study I only see one Doctor of Medicine listed.  The rest are Doctors of Philosophy.  That just doesn't hold a lot of medical weight with me.


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trc0705
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Re: Animal proteins increase the risk of diabetes

I think you may be a little confused about what a PHD is.

 

It would seem that a PHD in medicine has more to do with Medical Research rather than Philosophy.

 

http://med.stanford.edu/phd/

 

So the article has a lot of medical researchers on it and just one doctor.

 

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/1/43

 

 

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Re: Animal proteins increase the risk of diabetes


trc0705 wrote:

I think you may be a little confused about what a PHD is.

 

It would seem that a PHD in medicine has more to do with Medical Research rather than Philosophy.

 

http://med.stanford.edu/phd/

 

So the article has a lot of medical researchers on it and just one doctor.

 


Well then let's take one of them:  Joline W.J. Beulens

 

On THIS study she worked on, the results stated: 

Recommendations of a high-carbohydrate diet may therefore not be optimal in the prevention of cardiovascular diseases.

 

So high protein (animal or vegetable) can cause diabetes, and high carb can cause heart disease (a huge factor in T2 mortality).

 

If you base your ideas on those 2 (small) studies alone you'd better cut out both just to be on the safe side,  That leaves fat.  Yes there really are also studies that say 85% fat diets work well for T2 diabetes.  I'm not kidding, you can find a study to support almost any dingy idea that could possibly be thought of. :smileyfrustrated:

 

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False

 

 

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trc0705 wrote:

I think you may be a little confused about what a PHD is.

 

It would seem that a PHD in medicine has more to do with Medical Research rather than Philosophy.

 

http://med.stanford.edu/phd/

 


 

Definition of PhD | PhD What??????

 

 

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Re: Animal proteins increase the risk of diabetes

Thank you for the great information lizzylou.  You have been such a ray of sunshine to me since I joined a short time ago.  Just wondering are you always this miserable?

 

However, all scientific research had to first start off as a question or theory, then research had to be done to construct a hypothesis, then testing of the hypothesis is done by doing experiments, until the data is analyzed and a conclusion is made and the results are communicated to the world.  This is how science develops and accomplishes things from theory to scientific fact.

 

The research page I posted (http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/1/43 ) is one done by the American Diabetes Association and from your posted link (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/ ) you are stating that the research findings are false.  This does not portray the American Diabetes Association with a good reputation now does it?

 

So my question remains, should a person with diabetes take into consideration how much animal protein they are consuming in order to help control their blood sugar?

 

“Diets high in animal protein are associated with an increased diabetes risk.”

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trc0705 wrote:

Thank you for the great information lizzylou.  You have been such a ray of sunshine to me since I joined a short time ago.  Just wondering are you always this miserable?

 

However, all scientific research had to first start off as a question or theory, then research had to be done to construct a hypothesis, then testing of the hypothesis is done by doing experiments, until the data is analyzed and a conclusion is made and the results are communicated to the world.  This is how science develops and accomplishes things from theory to scientific fact.

 

The research page I posted (http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/1/43 ) is one done by the American Diabetes Association and from your posted link (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/ ) you are stating that the research findings are false.  This does not portray the American Diabetes Association with a good reputation now does it?

 

So my question remains, should a person with diabetes take into consideration how much animal protein they are consuming in order to help control their blood sugar?

 

“Diets high in animal protein are associated with an increased diabetes risk.”



Well, Mr. Sunshine,

 

It's pretty obvious that you haven't been here long or you'd know that none of us represent, nor for that fact even necessarily agree, with ADA positions. 

 

The ADA publishes just as many junk studies every year as any other entity!  I know perfectly well how science works, having been involved with it for a very long time.  I also know that one report means absolutely nothing. 

 

So now you think by insulting me that you'll get an answer? 

 

:smileyvery-happy:

 

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Re: Animal proteins increase the risk of diabetes


trc0705 wrote:

  This is how science develops and accomplishes things from theory to scientific fact.

 

 


I don't really know anything about the research study to which you are referring but I think you misunderstand the meaning of a scientific theory. As I tell my students frequently, "theory" does not mean the same thing in science as it does in everyday usage.You seem to be using the word theory as a conjecture not an explanation of what happens based on numerous tests.  As I understand it, scientific theories do not turn into scientific facts.
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Re: Animal proteins increase the risk of diabetes

[ Edited ]

***EDITED***

 

I completely cancelled my previous answer because I came to the conclusion that this thread was started to (again) support vegan propaganda.

You got me fooled, OP. It won't happen again.

 

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Re: Animal proteins increase the risk of diabetes

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Something I look for in any scientific paper, regardless of its apparent worth, is the funding information.

 

Although this was published in the ADA's reputable Diabetes Care Journal, this is worth noting:


Footnotes

  • The costs of publication of this article were defrayed in part by the payment of page charges. This article must therefore be hereby marked “advertisement” in accordance with 18 U.S.C. Section 1734 solely to indicate this fact.


That is enough for me to become very wary of any conclusions drawn.

 

The next thing I check is research extending this. So I go to "Citing Articles"


Citing Articles
  1. View citing article information
  2. Citing articles via Google Scholar

 The only articles listed are written by the same authors, citing their own work.

 

Until other reputable researchers confirm Ivonne Sluijs' research I see no reason to give it more than passing interest. I have seen nothing to confirm these conclusions anywhere else apart from the usual opinion pieces of the fanatically vegan PCRM group.

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