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jtaime2
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Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?

I'm confused.  Which do we count and on labels its only total carbs.

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Re: Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?


jtaime2 wrote:

I'm confused.  Which do we count and on labels its only total carbs.


You should count the total carbs. Since sugar is a carb, it is included in total carb count. There should be a break down of what type carbs that are included, just below the total carb amount.

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Re: Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?

It was my understanding that you don't count grams of fiber.  As grams of fiber are included in the total carb count, you subtract them from the total carbs to get the net carb count.

 

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jtaime2
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Re: Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?

Oh good...that's the way I have been doing it.  Thanks

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Re: Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?


Tapestry312 wrote:

It was my understanding that you don't count grams of fiber.  As grams of fiber are included in the total carb count, you subtract them from the total carbs to get the net carb count.

 

Tap


We are all different.  Some of us find that net carbs is a good measure, some of us find that total carbs is a better measure.  I am one who finds total carbs are the better measure - a meal with 15  total carbs but only 5 net carbs seems to make my blood glucose go up about as much as a meal with 15 total carbs and 15 net carbs.  Your meter will tell you which one to use.

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Re: Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?

I use the total carb amount.  I follow the ADA advice here:  http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/ask-the-expert/ask-the-dietitian/arc...

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Re: Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?

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Tapestry312 wrote:

It was my understanding that you don't count grams of fiber.  As grams of fiber are included in the total carb count, you subtract them from the total carbs to get the net carb count.

 

Tap


That's not entirely true.  It's very complicated so I don't subtract any:smileyfrustrated::  click here.

 

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Re: Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?


George_M wrote:

Tapestry312 wrote:

It was my understanding that you don't count grams of fiber.  As grams of fiber are included in the total carb count, you subtract them from the total carbs to get the net carb count.

 

Tap


We are all different.  Some of us find that net carbs is a good measure, some of us find that total carbs is a better measure.  I am one who finds total carbs are the better measure - a meal with 15  total carbs but only 5 net carbs seems to make my blood glucose go up about as much as a meal with 15 total carbs and 15 net carbs.  Your meter will tell you which one to use.


George, how odd.....  if the fibre is undigestible...  hwo does it contribute to bG rise....   we should "lab rat" you and see if we really know your 1
I:C ration is.....   Not only does the fibre not contribute to most folks bG rise, but in larger amounts lowers glycemic index and even sometimes overall carb gram effect.....   it's so individualized isn't it?

 

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Re: Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?

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"Net carbs" is a marketing term used to promote a product. It doesn't have a strict scientific definition. The total carbs on the nutrition label has to be your starting point. The carbs listed there are further broken out into sugar, fiber, and sugar alcohol, and then the leftover portion is the starchy carbs. One exception to that is

 

Now, it's true that not all carbs raise blood glucose.  Most noteably, our bodies can't break down fiber into glucose.  Still, the bacteria in our bodies can and do break some types of fiber down into components they can digest, and we may also get some energy from those components. The "official" rules are that when there are more than five grams of fiber, you can ignore half the fiber. I have no idea why you need to have five grams of fiber before you apply that rule. I suspect it's just to simplify the math, on the theory that one or two grams of fiber here and there are't worth worrying about  :smileyhappy:

 

The other carb we don't digest very well is sugar alcohol. There are a variety of different kinds, and while we can hardly digest some of them, there are others where we may be able to slowly digest a fairly large percentage of them. Once again the rules suggest that we can ignore half the sugar alcohol carbs, but of course the real world results depend on what kind of sugar alcohol we are talking about.

 

If we are just talking about a few grams of fiber or sugar alcohol, it probably doesn't matter much how you are counting. If it is something like Dreamfield's pasta, where the addition of inulin fiber to the wheat flour drops the carbs in a serving of pasta from 42 grams to only 5 grams of net carbs according to the manufacturer, it becomes well worth your while to test before and after you eat, to see how the fiber affects YOU, rather than just going by a rule.


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Re: Net carbs vs total carbs...which one do we count?

Do regular grocery stores have Dreamfield? Where in the store would one find it? (regular pasta aisle? health food aisle?)

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